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Possible Suspected Cam Failure #895
Date 3/13/08
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Clean, low miles 1998 Ford Taurus SHO |
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Mileage: |
106,000 miles |
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Location: |
Reynoldsburg, OH |
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Vehicle Information
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VIN: |
1fafp54n5wa250397 |
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Warranty: |
No |
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Vehicle title: |
Clear |
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Condition: |
Used |
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For sale by: |
Private seller |
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Features
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Body type: |
Sedan |
Engine: |
V-8 |
Exterior color: |
Silver |
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Transmission: |
Automatic |
Fuel type: |
Gasoline |
Interior color: |
Gray |
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Standard Equipment
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Leather |
Power Door Locks |
Cruise Control |
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Power Steering |
AM/FM Radio |
Power Windows |
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Air Conditioning |
4DR SDN SHO |
FRONT WHEEL DRIVE |
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Power Seat Driver |
Dual Air Bags |
V-8 |
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Optional Equipment
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CD Changer |
POWER SUNROOF |
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Vehicle Description |
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Vehicle is in
great shape but needs some valve work done.
We love this car but our family outgrew it.
An estimate done for the work at the dealer
for complete repair was $1k in 2007. We
decided not to fix it since we were in the
market for a new vehicle anyway. It's very
clean inside, body is in great shape.
Cassette player does not work but it does
have a CD changer. LCD screen does not
work, but radio works fine. Had extensive
repairs and maintenance done in late 2006, a
full list is available upon request. The
picture show here is just so you can get an
idea of what it looks like but is not the
actual vehicle. I can send pics upon
request. Happy Bidding!
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On Mar-10-08 at 15:48:27 PDT,
seller added the following information:
Vehicle is in great shape but needs some valve
work and coil plug work done. We love this car but
our family outgrew it. An estimate done for the
work at the dealer for complete repair was $800k in
2007. The Ricart Ford Dealer in Columbus OH stated
that the problems were minor and we could still
drive the car but would lose a few MPGs and some
horsepower, which is what we experienced. We
decided not to fix it since we were in the market
for a new vehicle anyway. It's very clean inside,
body is in great shape. Cassette player does not
work but it does have a CD changer. LCD screen does
not work, but radio works fine. Repairs done in
late 2006 include: radiator flush, brakes, new
tires, new serpentine belt, new alternator.
Transmission was also replaced at 36k miles. There
are no timing or compression problems and it turns
over and runs without incident. The picture shown
here is just so you can get an idea of what it looks
like but is not the actual vehicle. Due to the snow
storm over the weekend I haven't been able to get
the car in a position to take pics, but will put
some up later this week. Happy Bidding!
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Seller's payment instructions
Delivery of the vehicle can be worked out
after the auction is over. Please contact
me with any questions. I am in Columbus,
OH.
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Deposit via PayPal
US $200.00 within 48 hours of
auction close.
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or Canadian bank) or money order |
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So I ask the big question to the V8SHO.com community:
a) post as Cam Failure
b) post as Suspected Cam Failure
c) do not post.
Let us know what you think.
Please Vote!
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Current body count is #894, not that the race to #900 should effect our
decision in any way.
Buford
"needs valve work" might be a big understatement.
"estimate done for the work at the dealer for complete repair was $1k in 2007"-
this is way off. Then he adds "An estimate done for the work at the dealer for
complete repair was $800k in 2007". Does he mean $800 or $800,000?
"Ford Dealer in Columbus OH stated that the problems were minor and we could
still drive the car". I wonder if they really tried to drive the car.
"There are no timing or compression problems and it turns over and runs without
incident". OK, who is fooling who? If this was true then it couldn't need
"valve work" nor "coil plug work".
Current price is $1,158. When people bid on something like this, what are they
thinking? A car with this many miles, and needing at least $1k of work done,
would exceed its market value very quickly. I could sell them a better car, not
needing anything, for this same price range.
Oh, and big "WARNING WILL ROBINSON", the picture is not of the actual vehicle.
Funny though, 4th mention this week of "LCD doesn't work".
I think we should only track certain verified cam failures. "Suspected cam
failures" are more like profiled cam failures -- you suspect its a cam failure
because it's a SHO and its engine STB'd. You know how much trouble profiling
causes the local PD...
Seth
Many "suspected" ended up confirmed, I then go back and re-edit the page.
Often someone will buy the car because it is clean and suspect it is a cam
failure and it ends up they were right. It happens all the time.
Cars don't have the same rights as people, RE profiling.
If the owner said it was welded by Eric or Doug and 3 cly needed a new COP I
might go along, but if it "needs valve work" to me one must at least suspect cam
failure until it is ruled out.
It is beyond our scope and finances to clinically verify each cam failure.
For our purposes it is sufficient to document about 900 failures all with the
same symptoms and 95% of which are confirmed cam failures.
SHOs sell all the time with no mention of engine problems or problems
inconsistent with cam failure and we ignore those advertisements. The may have a
cam failure but we don't assume that they do.
Out point is not that all 900 cars were exhaustively and conclusively
autopsied by an expert. Only that ample evidence exists for a responsible car
company to take an interest and act responsibility; something Ford has yet to
undertake.
Can we get back to the voting?
Buford
We have suspected cam failures listed all the time. It takes less time to
convert a suspect to a known or delete it than to add it a year down the road
when someone buys it and finds the list.
I figure that Tim asked tongue-in-cheek, based on the voting caveats.
-John Breen III
If we are to believe everything stated in the listing, then the logical
assumption is that it is clicking but hasn't failed yet.
Personally I'm not inclined to believe everything in the listing and think
there is a good possibility it really has failed.
The third possibility is that a coil is bad.
In that case, my vote is for B. No one's confirmed it, and there's no reason
to ignore it, so it is what it is: a suspected cam failure, by definition.
Regards, Jon Heese
Who knows what the dealer quoted him to fix, he put 2 different amounts in
the listing, "There are no timing or compression problems and it turns over and
runs without incident" if it runs and drives ok, then why was it even in the
shop ???? Could be a few different things wrong, nothing screaming cam failure
other than the part saying it needs valve work.....but it wouldn't need valve
work if it doesn't have timing or compression issues.
For all we know this jackass could have a duratec in a Sable.
As of now there is nothing to post.
Rick Glass
I was born in Chicago, so I cast 2 votes for B.
I live in Iowa, so I'm going to Caucus for C to give the voters in other
states, and the media, something to think about.
But, since I ultimately live in a rural state with a split D/R
representation, I'll learn to live with whatever you decide to do.
:-)
-John Breen III
When I read "There are no timing or compression problems" I think maybe we
pass on listing it. - Brad
Agreed. I'm going for C. To be a shoo-in for "suspected cam failure" ebay
postings must include the phrase "runs like arse" or "runs like arse and
overheats." Wouldn't believe that they checked the timing/compression on the
rear bank though. - Alan Ridge
I think you are forgetting that if the cam sprocket is ticking, the failure
has already occurred. The sprocket is supposed to be permanently affixed to the
cam tube. Once it starts to move, you have a failure, whether or not it has
gotten loose enough to destroy other parts of the engine. - Dan Carman
It's NOT very far from Sunbury, Ohio......hint, hint...
It COULD be 3 bad coils, a dirty MAF, a spit out bucket shim, a clogged EGR
AND a bad IAC motor - All at once - But I'm betting on the usual suspect.
If I were bidding on this car, I would have no other choice than to assume it
is a rear bank failure - they run MUCH better than front bank failures.
I vote "B".
Eric
That thought crossed my mind.. even closer to work actually...
Scott
Details pending - Buford.
I drove the car today..
It is not a cam failure <gasp>.
Here is why the listing is so confusing, and the owners were just as confused
as the listing sounds. The had it at a dealer and all and were told about a
valve an other problems (likely the IMRC I am guessing). The tranny was replaced
by a shop at 70K (car has about 105 now).
Car has 4 DTCS
301 - Misfire cylinder 1
304 - Misfire cylinder 4
1518 - IMRC stuck open
1477 - Torque converter lockup
During the brief test drive the basics were obvious - the brakes need work as
the rotors are trashed most likely as the car has not been driven much. He
stated he started it up and let it warm up once a week or so but didn't drive
it. The park brake cable is dropping and will drag on the ground unless you push
the park pedal in a bit to take up the slack; I didn't investigate what was
going on there. The car was somewhat recently at a Ford dealer for service and
it sounds like they were not taken care of at all.
I don't know what the reserve on this car is but the paint is in pretty good
shape, the tires are very new ContiTouring tires. During my test drive the TC
does lockup but lockup is slow and "slushy" Transmission shifted good otherwise.
I don't know if the misfires are two separate coils or possibly the rear
harness, but the car is also believed to have factory plugs so who knows how
everything would combine in that respect. Car is unwelded and I believe has been
in the family since new.
Scott
TC code car has is a 1744 <DOH> Dyslexia or something of the sort...
Scott
Scott,
Excellent detective work, and a good report. sounds like a car that a
half-way mechanic could take and make dependable for not too much. Another case
of an owner that doesn't know much getting bad advice/help from a dealer, or
they just didn't understand it much, in which case, it would be good of the
dealer to try to explain it better (maybe they did).
Don
YES ! ! !
The System WORKS ! ! !
Thank you Scott. We will now alter the camfailure list to report what we know
is no longer suspected.
Now, buy the damn car, ;-)
I don't think buying the car is cost effective...
Divorce Attorney's outweigh the cost of the car and insurance... I won't buy
another V8 for me to drive unless I intend to MTX it as well. I don't have time
for that now... The ATX cars are such a yawn...
Scott
Thanks Scott for helping us all out. - Buford
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